
Much before Islam or christianity came into existance, each year tribes from all around the Arabian peninsula would converge on Makkah, as part of an annual pilgrimage. The exact faith of the tribes as followers of Hinduism is evident on the basis of available records, customs and rituals of the Hajj. However, Muslim historians refer to the time before Muhammad as al-Jahiliyah, the “Days of Ignorance”, during which the Kaaba contained hundreds of idols representing totems of each of the tribes of the Arabian peninsula. The idols represented multiple faiths, from pagan gods like Hubal, al-Lat, Uzza and Manat, to symbols of Jesus and Mary and Allah (God). It was this Allah (God) who revealed Holy Quran to the prophet.
Muhammad was known to regularly perform the Umrah, even before he began receiving revelations. Historically, devotees would gather at various meeting points in other great cities, and then proceed en masse towards Makkah, in groups that could comprise tens of thousands of pilgrims. Two of the most famous meeting points were in Cairo and Damascus. In Cairo, the Sultan would stand atop a platform of the famous gate Bab Zuwayla, to officially watch the beginning of the annual pilgrimage.
In 632 AD, when Muhammad led his followers from Medina to Makkah, it was the first Hajj to be performed by Muslims alone, and the only Hajj ever performed by Muhammad. He destroyed the idols at the Kaaba, and re-ordained it as the house of God. It was from this point that the Hajj became one of the Five Pillars of Islam. Subsequently, the buildings next to Kaaba were demolished to create more room for the piligrims.
During the Hajj, male pilgrims are required to dress only in a garment consisting of two sheets of white unhemmed cloth, with the top draped over the torso and the bottom secured by a white sash which is similar to the dress of people renouncing their family life and seeking communique with God.; plus a pair of sandals. Women are simply required to maintain their hijab - normal modest dress, which does not cover the hands or face.
The Ihram clothing shows the equality of all pilgrims in the eyes of God: there is no difference between a prince and a pauper when everyone is dressed the same. The Ihram also symbolizes purity and absolution of sins. A place designated for changing into Ihram is called a miqat. While the pilgrim is wearing the Ihram, they cannot shave, clip their nails, or use deodorant or perfume. They may not swear or quarrel, kill any living thing, or engage in sexual intercourse.
On the first day of the Hajj, the 8th day of the 12th month, Dhu al-Hijjah, the pilgrims perform their first Tawaf, which involves all of the pilgrims entering The Sacred Mosque (Masjid Al Haram) and walking seven times counter-clockwise around the Kaaba, kissing the Black Stone (Hajr Al Aswad) on each circuit. If kissing is not possible due to the crowds, they may simply align themselves with the stone and point to it. Each complete circuit constitutes a “Shout” with 7 circuits constituting a complete tawaf. The place where pilgrims walk is known as “Mutaaf”. Only the first three Shouts are compulsory, but invariably almost all perform it seven times. Please remember that going around the image of the Lord (Parikrama) is an old Hindu custom which is still in vogue in all temples.
Eating is not allowed and the tawaf is normally performed all at once, the only exception being the drinking of water. Men are encouraged to perform the first three circuits at a hurried pace, followed by four times, more closely, at a leisurely pace.
After the completion of Tawaf, all the pilgrims have to offer two Rakaat prayers at the Place of Abraham (Muqaam E Ibrahim), a site near the Kaaba. However, again due to large crowds during the days of Hajj, they may instead pray anywhere in the mosque.
Although the circuits around the Kaaba are traditionally done on the groundlevel, Tawaf is now also performed on the first floor and roof of the mosque.
Do you find similarities with Hindu piligrimage? Don’t be surprised; Hajj is a Hindu piligrimage which the prophet could not stop during his life time and had to incorporate as a pillar of Islam.
Ramadan is coming up, and here in the Philippines, we honor our Muslim community by declaring the end of Ramadan as an official public holiday.
If Hajj is/used to be a Hindu pilgrimage, they must have known it by another name. My understanding is that Hajj is an Islamic term.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajj
I intend to write a separate article on the pre islamic days of Mecca and the real story of the black stone Kaaba. I also intend to quote million year old Hindu scriptures to prove abojut the existance of Allah (God) before Christianity and Islam.
Since
’Hajj is a Hindu pilgrimage [that]
Prophet (PBUH) could not ”stop” during his life time and ”had” to ”incorporate” as a pillar of Islam’
with due respect Let me clarify a few things for general information.
First of all you should know with your research that Islam is not the only religion sent to earth.
History was never devoid of guidance from God. Wherever there was man there was guidance. There were always massagers being sent to earth who extended Gods messages to its people. The messages were always of, unity, love, peace, and a strong belief in GOD.
Before Islam people only had a concept of a ’higher power’, and they sought after it in various forms and worshipping natural elements, suns, moons, stars, animals, water,fire,earth,air etc or man made demigods which they thought identified with a real god, etc
Islam was the LAST of all religions sent on earth. Before Islam there were many prophets sent on earth in Muslim history the number is 124000 of them were sent as guidance on earth and 4 holy books are mentioned in Quran which testify as the guidance sent to the ALLAH’s people on earth.
These four messengers and their holy books as acknowledged by Quran.
They are the Suhuf-i-Ibrahim (commonly the Scrolls of Abraham), the (Tawrat (Torah),the Zabur (commonly the Psalms), the Injil (commonly the Gospel), and the Qur’an.
Hence, it was the FINAL ENLIGHTMENT, the word of ONE GOD. The Quran.
Muslims believe and pray to one only God, who sent his message to the prophet and discarded all the beliefs by manifesting
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only!
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not nor is He begotten. (born out of, or with)
And there is none like unto Him.
Which clarified his intentions of putting an end to all the other practices prevailing in ancient history, that is why we believe that Islam is the enlightment period in Arab before that was “Days of Ignorance”, please also know the time line of Origin of Religion
And Important Dates in History:
c. 2000 BC: Time of Abraham, the patriarch of Israel.
c. 1200 BC: Time of Moses, the Hebrew leader of the Exodus.
c. 1100 - 500 BC: Hindus compile their holy texts, the Vedas.
c. 563 - 483 BC: Time of Buddha, founder of Buddhism.
c. 551 - 479 BC: Time of Confucius, founder of Confucianism.
c. 200 BC: The Hindu book, Bhagavad Gita, is written.
c. 2 to 4 BC - 32 AD: Time of Jesus Christ, the Messiah and founder of Christianity.
c. 32 AD: The Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
c. 40 - 90 AD: The New Testament is written by the followers of Jesus Christ.
c. 570 - 632 AD: Time of Muhammad, who records the Qur’an as the basis of Islam.
Hence, the history of pilgrimage did not start with Islam, nor with Hinduism. People before Islam or Hinduism also made pilgrimages to their holy places insearch of GOD.
You say that prophets number 124000. Can any one name them?
I must thank you for the rest of the information given by you.
Hindu civilisation and culture is only 1,97,29,49,109 years old. Please make necessary amendments in your dates accordingly.. The earth itself is about 4 billion years old and you are talking about man walking the earth almost 2 billion years back? According to you, not only they walked 2 on the planet two billion years back, but also had a full fledged civilisation and a religion! Maybe you are insinuating dinosaurs herds as early Hindu civilisation.
http://www.indiaheritage.org/rendez/article1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Holy_Books
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_other_religions
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
http://www.twf.org/Library/Meta-religion.html
http://www.thewaytotruth.org/islam-humanity/spiritualeducation.html
With all due respect to the Prophet and the communities, no malice or disrespect is intended.
I have not suggested that the practices are inspired by Hinduism. I said, they were existing. If any new practice, custom or ritual has been introduced by the prophet, please say so.
The Aryans are not indigenous to India. Aryans were plunderers who came from the Caspian region.
Hinduism as we see today is a relatively new religion than most of the Hindus would like to believe. It may be as young as just 2750-3000 years.
The origins of Sikhism lie in the teachings of Nanak and his successors. Nanak disapproved of many religious beliefs and practices of his time.
The essence of Sikh teaching is summed up by Nanak in these words:
”Realisation of Truth is higher than all else. Higher still is truthful living”.
Sikhism believes in equality of all humans and rejects caste system.
does not attach any importance to asceticism as a means to attain salvation, but stresses on the need of leading life as a householder.
part 2 of your question:
out of 124000 the quran recognizes only 24 of them. this is also a miracle, and a trait distintive of quran as other holy book dont mention other religions with their teaching.
however the quran recognizes only 24 of them as the rest of the prophets came either for smaller communities or merged themselves later with the larger religions identities.
those mentioned in qur’an.
01. Adam 13. Shu’aib
02. Sheeth 14. Ayyub(Job)
03. Idris(Enoch) 15. Musa(Moses)
04. Nuh(Noah) 16. Harun(Aaron)
05. Hood 17. Dhul-Kifl(Ezekiel)
06. Saleh 18. Dawud(David)
07. Ibrahim(Abraham) 19. Sulaiman(Solomon)
08. Ismail(Ishmael) 20. Elijah(Iliyas)
09. Is-haaq (Isaac) 21. Yunus(Jonah)
10. Lut (Lot) 22.Zakariyaa(Zechariah)
11. Yaqub(Jacob) 23. Yahya(John)
12. Yusuf(Joseph) 24. Isa(Jesus)
http://subil.instablogs.com/entry/appreciating-religious-differences/
14. Ayyub(Job)
15. Musa(Moses)
16. Harun(Aaron)
17. Dhul-Kifl(Ezekiel)
18. Dawud(David)
19. Sulaiman(Solomon)
20. Elijah(Iliyas)
21. Yunus(Jonah)
22.Zakariyaa(Zechariah)
23. Yahya(John)
24. Isa(Jesus)
I am new here to this website and was reading every educated comments surprising what I feel is that most of us are so inclined towards religion well i am not an Atheist but what i know is ” I am not born with religion but imparted by our parents nor I die with religion”. Ramesh which religion has come first do u think it really matters. Sumera how many messenger came and went does it really matters or did we see any of them or do we see any one this century? what we need is peace in this world where hate is taking over. atleast we people should try and bridge the. I feel no one has seen god inspite of millions praying how come only few see it. I am not here trying to justify things but i am here to convey my feelings that no matter what we follow which religion we follow we still fight based on religion forgetting that we are same as human same organs and blood. if people keep religion to personal and see world without religion then i beleive peace would be there untill then i think there would fights based on wars and please remem most of the wars fought were based on religion
The problem in our life comes with Love, God and Conflict.
Resolving the conflict is individual perception
Muslim historians refer to the Arab period before Islam as as al-Jahiliyah because the poeople were idolatrious and believed that the stone gods they manufactured could help them in their needs;also because they were a superstitious and uncivilised lot who believed daughters were a curse and buried them in sand after birth.
Your article on Haj mearly shows that before Islam some idolatrous people had got hold of and influenced the ceremonies at Mecca.It does nothing to prove what infact were the original ceremonies .
More over your attempts at connecting the idolatrous and superstitious ways of The Arabs with Hinduism are not only laughable ,but also a disgrace to Hinduism itself.The theology and mythology of the two is not even remotely similar-the only common point being worship of idols.But even these differ for there was no Ganesh etc in the lot found and destroyed at Kaaba.
Unlike Hinduism which has the concept of Bhagwan-there was no concept of a supreme God amongst pre-islamic Arab idolators.
Hinduism even in it’s earliest forms has many Islamic points;and as understood by the thinking people is very distinct from Hinduism as understood by the masses-which itself is an indication to many Muslims that at sometime it too may have been Islam i.e. a message brought by one of the 124,000 prophets of God of whom we now know the names of 24.Till time tooks it tool,leading to what it is now.
The present Haj ceremonies are in fact a reversion to the earliest ones,and prophet Muhammad did this when he destroyed the idolatrious ones which had crept in inthe middle period.
Muslims were the first true historians and scientists in the cradle of Abrahamic faiths;and if they hadn’t been so impartial even greek thought and literature would have been lost to the world.
”What ever is in Hindu faith today form part of what is Islam” is such an obvious misstatement that I have no need to comment on it.Never the less Hinduism today does retain some portions of the original true faith as can be seen from so many things like mention of one supreme God,mention of Holy Prophet Muhammad and the superiority of cows meat over other form of meat in it’s holy books.
Islam has never claimed it is a new religion.The basic claim of Islam is that there is only one supreme creator.It follows from this that the religion he laid down or sent through his messengers in any age and to any people has always been -and logically must always -be the same.We all worship and must submit to the will of the same one God.Only over a period of time each people due to the greed or the dictates of their rulers deviated;and the message had to be given afresh calling the people back to that from which they had drifted.The Holy Prophet of islam was the last one -and will be the final one - to ask people to revert to the original true faith.
I will give you the history and details connected with Haj ritual -and the facts abouts the idols found their in - in a seperate article I intend writing sometime in the next week.
Not only was the main diety not Ganesh,there was no mention of any other Hindu diety at all in the entire history of Arab idolatory.
Ramesh bhai,I am sorry to state once again your article is good conjecture,but certainly no history.
I am not aware that Ganesh has to be the main deity in any temple. I have not mentioned Lord Ganesh in my article. It is your inference.
There is no concept of Hindu Gods or Christian Gods or this God or that God in Hinduism. Hinduism worships its creator in imageless and idol form. Hindus worship the unseen and seen, be it human, plants, sky, planets, animals, rivers or whatever. Hindus, I say once again, have no problem in worshipping Jesus Christ or Allah or both.
Prophet may be the last messanger for Muslims. He is not so for Christians and people of many other faiths. Hindus do not have the ”messanger concept” in Hindu religion and have not elevated the Prophet to the level of God. Hence his words are not FINAL for us. You may teach, spread or abide by your faith. Any effort to impose those views on us by force, terror or by such other means to disturb our lives is an affront which will be resisted by the whole non muslim world.
Your articles are well researched. I like it. I may or may not agree with your biased opinion or coloured vision but I still welcome it because you are a good writer. You write with sincerity, zeal and conviction. That is what I like in you.
The pagans(idol/fire worshippers) used to call the moon allah. One of the idols that used to be worshipped was teh black stone that is now in the wall of the kabba. That black stone was the idol for muhammads tribe (note muhammads uncle never converted to islam) even though that stone which, muhammad claims is the white stone from heaven ( turned black due to the sins of humans) was instilled in the middle of the kabba wall.
It is also to be noted that the pagans (muhammads own tribe) had banned muhammad from entering the kabba after he(muhammad) started his self claimed prophethood and was beaten badly to the point where he was physically hurt(with bloodly beatings) and was spat on by his own tribe. Then his tribe made a written (or before that) agreement which started off with the same line that muhammad stole from the pagans; the pagans started that agreement with the line ”in the name of allah the most gracious and merciful”. Which prooves the term allah is pre-muhammad and was used to mean ”the moon and stars”. Even today you will see most islamic flags have the moon and the star (chand and tara) which shows the evidence of allah being referred to as the moon and star pre-islamic tirbe culture which wasn’t let go and the star and the moon stuck with islam.
The pagans used to get to kabba and go around in circles singing dancing and rejoicing and they used to cut animals for food and rub their body parts on the kabba(this could be something to do with maha-parshad in early hindu era). It is also to be noted that these pagans used to go around in circles and do this rejoicing naked. There is a hadith that muhammad forbids that the rubbing of the animal blood will be done and thats why there is no animal killings to be done before a certain day in hajj and he also forbade the naked running around the kabba.
But the ritual of going around in circles from hinduism stuck and if it isn’t from hinduism please explain how christianity and jewdism and all the 124,000 prophets before that coudn’t tell the people to BOW in front of god but hindus have been doing the bow-ing in front of the essence of god (each human has essence of god and hence we bow to the essence of god in each of us, even if the person whom we bow to might have made wrong choices in their life).
There is no bowing in christianity and jewidism so obviously the bow-ing down in front of god is a practice that was copied from hinduism/pagans/idolaters.
I have tried to find the existing signs to relate to the old custom.
The customary rituals of Hajj and its similarities with Hinduism have been explained in the article.
A healthy discusion is going on and i must say that our Pakistani{Ex Hindustani,who still says ”Sare Jahan Se Achcha Hindustan Hamara...]brothers are also giving ’good’ remarks,without even being agitated.
They must accept that,only few are having different ”blood or Genes”,and their history is more ancient than the history of Islam,just like in the case of Egypt.
Writing is an individual quest. Keeping a particular segment in mind for writing makes it a saleable commodity and then it becomes propaganda for publicity. In filmi circles that is called copy-writing.
Allah always existed before anything;and I have read your Holy books and know thatHinduism is not unfamiliar with the true concept of a supreme diety.
No ones history is older then the history of Islam because Islam did not start with the Holy Prophet Muhammad ,it only ended with him in the sence that he is the last prophet of God who preached to people to revert to the original true concept of worshipping only the One supreme creator and nothing else-from which false priests had made them to drift for their own selfish motives.
Thanks a lot,we are learning from you Mr Balam and definietly wants to meet you.
It will be my pleasure too to meet you all.
The customs and the rituals of Hajj were there all the while for all to see. I have clarified the missing links and added my view point. That makes the article interesting.
I would request you to read my article on Taj Mahal in your spare time and comment.
Ganapati Parva and Paryushan ki Shubhkamnayen.
I also wants to quote that some one objected on figure provided by you in yr’s about Hindu religion.
The first Tirthanker Adinath Era is too old,i dint know the figure but it is too old.There are ”Granth” at Kumbhoj Bahubali,near Solapur regd that.
Knowingly I did not reply to the silly comment about time measurement in Hinduism; which is the subject matter of my next article. For Muslim historians, ignorance is bliss.
Everyone knows that the truth is Islam, and half hindus also dont believe in Ram, many of their books says that Ramayana is a fantasy and not the truth. I dont understand why ramesh doing so.
To prove that my thoughts are stupid, you will have to give more intelligent arguments than calling names.
There is no truth for ultimate peace and salvation in Islam. Islamic Republic of Pakistan is in ruins. Those who migrated to it on partition are still Mohajirs. There are continous fights in Shia and Sunnis. Bohri, Ahmedia and other sectsm are not recognised as Muslims at all. Millions of Muslims visit peer, faqir, dargahs and seek materialistic pleasure; is it because their Allah can’t give it to them? Witch-craft is common practice in Muslims. There is so much confusion and backwardness in Islam that any Maulvi issues a fatwa for any damn thing.
Hinduism does not ask any one to believe in Lord Ram or lord Krishna or any other god. Who said, you have to believe in them to be a Hindu?
Which scripture says that Ramayan is a fantasy? Even if it is, does it matter to a Hindu? Hindus faith is not based on the theory of one prophet, one book, one religion.
I am doing it because truth must be told, how-so-ever unpalatable it might be.
Brother Asad you dont know the truth about your own religion. In islam there is a term called ”taqqiya” which mean if a muslim needs to hide the truth, bend the truth, or lie for the glorification or betterment of islam it is allowed.
You wanan talk about RamJi firstly read this about muhammad and what kind of mental state he was in.
Book 008, Number 3415:
Muhammad says to a man; ”if one of your wife sucks on your other wifes breasts a few times the two wifes are still lawful to you”
Umm al-Fadl reported: A bedouin came to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) when he was in my house and said: Allah’s Apostle, I have had a wife and I married another besides her, and my first wife claimed that she had suckled once or twice my newly married wife, thereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: One suckling or two do not make the (marriage) unlawful.
Aisha(youngest of muhammads wives) reports that muhammad asked a woman to let a grown man(salim) with beard on his face to suck on her breast so that, that man in question then becomes a foster son; and because of that the the woman doesn’t have to entirely cover up in front of that man.
Book 008, Number 3424:
’ A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail came to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be eupon him) and said: Messengerof Allah, I see on the face of Abu Hudhaifa (signs of disgust) on entering of Salim (who is an ally) into (our house), whereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him. She said: How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) smiled and said: I already know that he is a young man ’Amr has made this addition in his narration that he participated in the Battle of Badr and in the narration of Ibn ’Umar (the words are): Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) laughed.
Please before you point fingers try and understand if Muhammad was in his right mind when he got these bipolar/ schizophrenic dillusions.
Here muhammad tells his companions since they have conqured a city, now his men can have sex with any of the conqured women even if they have husbands; because now these women are possessed by their right hand.
Book 008, Number 3432:
Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah’s Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:” And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)” (i. e. they were lawful for them when their ’Idda period came to an end).
Brother Asad you dont know the truth about your own religion. In islam there is a term called ”taqqiya” which mean if a muslim needs to hide the truth, bend the truth, or lie for the glorification or betterment of islam it is allowed.
You wanan talk about RamJi firstly read this about muhammad and what kind of mental state he was in.
Book 008, Number 3415:
Muhammad says to a man; ”if one of your wife sucks on your other wifes breasts a few times the two wifes are still lawful to you”
Umm al-Fadl reported: A bedouin came to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) when he was in my house and said: Allah’s Apostle, I have had a wife and I married another besides her, and my first wife claimed that she had suckled once or twice my newly married wife, thereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: One suckling or two do not make the (marriage) unlawful.
Aisha(youngest of muhammads wives) reports that muhammad asked a woman to let a grown man(salim) with beard on his face to suck on her breast so that, that man in question then becomes a foster son; and because of that the the woman doesn’t have to entirely cover up in front of that man.
Book 008, Number 3424:
’ A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail came to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be eupon him) and said: Messengerof Allah, I see on the face of Abu Hudhaifa (signs of disgust) on entering of Salim (who is an ally) into (our house), whereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him. She said: How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) smiled and said: I already know that he is a young man ’Amr has made this addition in his narration that he participated in the Battle of Badr and in the narration of Ibn ’Umar (the words are): Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) laughed.
Please before you point fingers try and understand if Muhammad was in his right mind when he got these bipolar/ schizophrenic dillusions.
Here muhammad tells his companions since they have conqured a city, now his men can have sex with any of the conqured women even if they have husbands; because now these women are possessed by their right hand.
Book 008, Number 3432:
Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah’s Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:” And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)” (i. e. they were lawful for them when their ’Idda period came to an end).
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Ramadan is coming up, and here in the Philippines, we honor our Muslim community by declaring the end of Ramadan as an official public holiday.
If Hajj is/used to be a Hindu pilgrimage, they must have known it by another name. My understanding is that Hajj is an Islamic term.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajj
I intend to write a separate article on the pre islamic days of Mecca and the real story of the black stone Kaaba. I also intend to quote million year old Hindu scriptures to prove abojut the existance of Allah (God) before Christianity and Islam.
Since
’Hajj is a Hindu pilgrimage [that]
Prophet (PBUH) could not ”stop” during his life time and ”had” to ”incorporate” as a pillar of Islam’
with due respect Let me clarify a few things for general information.
First of all you should know with your research that Islam is not the only religion sent to earth.
History was never devoid of guidance from God. Wherever there was man there was guidance. There were always massagers being sent to earth who extended Gods messages to its people. The messages were always of, unity, love, peace, and a strong belief in GOD.
Before Islam people only had a concept of a ’higher power’, and they sought after it in various forms and worshipping natural elements, suns, moons, stars, animals, water,fire,earth,air etc or man made demigods which they thought identified with a real god, etc
Islam was the LAST of all religions sent on earth. Before Islam there were many prophets sent on earth in Muslim history the number is 124000 of them were sent as guidance on earth and 4 holy books are mentioned in Quran which testify as the guidance sent to the ALLAH’s people on earth.
These four messengers and their holy books as acknowledged by Quran.
They are the Suhuf-i-Ibrahim (commonly the Scrolls of Abraham), the (Tawrat (Torah),the Zabur (commonly the Psalms), the Injil (commonly the Gospel), and the Qur’an.
Hence, it was the FINAL ENLIGHTMENT, the word of ONE GOD. The Quran.
Muslims believe and pray to one only God, who sent his message to the prophet and discarded all the beliefs by manifesting
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only!
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not nor is He begotten. (born out of, or with)
And there is none like unto Him.
Which clarified his intentions of putting an end to all the other practices prevailing in ancient history, that is why we believe that Islam is the enlightment period in Arab before that was “Days of Ignorance”, please also know the time line of Origin of Religion
And Important Dates in History:
c. 2000 BC: Time of Abraham, the patriarch of Israel.
c. 1200 BC: Time of Moses, the Hebrew leader of the Exodus.
c. 1100 - 500 BC: Hindus compile their holy texts, the Vedas.
c. 563 - 483 BC: Time of Buddha, founder of Buddhism.
c. 551 - 479 BC: Time of Confucius, founder of Confucianism.
c. 200 BC: The Hindu book, Bhagavad Gita, is written.
c. 2 to 4 BC - 32 AD: Time of Jesus Christ, the Messiah and founder of Christianity.
c. 32 AD: The Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
c. 40 - 90 AD: The New Testament is written by the followers of Jesus Christ.
c. 570 - 632 AD: Time of Muhammad, who records the Qur’an as the basis of Islam.
Hence, the history of pilgrimage did not start with Islam, nor with Hinduism. People before Islam or Hinduism also made pilgrimages to their holy places insearch of GOD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Holy_Books
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_other_religions
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
http://www.twf.org/Library/Meta-religion.html
http://www.thewaytotruth.org/islam-humanity/spiritualeducation.html
You say that prophets number 124000. Can any one name them?
I must thank you for the rest of the information given by you.
Hindu civilisation and culture is only 1,97,29,49,109 years old. Please make necessary amendments in your dates accordingly.. The earth itself is about 4 billion years old and you are talking about man walking the earth almost 2 billion years back? According to you, not only they walked 2 on the planet two billion years back, but also had a full fledged civilisation and a religion! Maybe you are insinuating dinosaurs herds as early Hindu civilisation.
The Aryans are not indigenous to India. Aryans were plunderers who came from the Caspian region.
Hinduism as we see today is a relatively new religion than most of the Hindus would like to believe. It may be as young as just 2750-3000 years.
With all due respect to the Prophet and the communities, no malice or disrespect is intended.
I have not suggested that the practices are inspired by Hinduism. I said, they were existing. If any new practice, custom or ritual has been introduced by the prophet, please say so.
The origins of Sikhism lie in the teachings of Nanak and his successors. Nanak disapproved of many religious beliefs and practices of his time.
The essence of Sikh teaching is summed up by Nanak in these words:
”Realisation of Truth is higher than all else. Higher still is truthful living”.
Sikhism believes in equality of all humans and rejects caste system.
does not attach any importance to asceticism as a means to attain salvation, but stresses on the need of leading life as a householder.
part 2 of your question:
out of 124000 the quran recognizes only 24 of them. this is also a miracle, and a trait distintive of quran as other holy book dont mention other religions with their teaching.
however the quran recognizes only 24 of them as the rest of the prophets came either for smaller communities or merged themselves later with the larger religions identities.
those mentioned in qur’an.
01. Adam 13. Shu’aib
02. Sheeth 14. Ayyub(Job)
03. Idris(Enoch) 15. Musa(Moses)
04. Nuh(Noah) 16. Harun(Aaron)
05. Hood 17. Dhul-Kifl(Ezekiel)
06. Saleh 18. Dawud(David)
07. Ibrahim(Abraham) 19. Sulaiman(Solomon)
08. Ismail(Ishmael) 20. Elijah(Iliyas)
09. Is-haaq (Isaac) 21. Yunus(Jonah)
10. Lut (Lot) 22.Zakariyaa(Zechariah)
11. Yaqub(Jacob) 23. Yahya(John)
12. Yusuf(Joseph) 24. Isa(Jesus)
http://subil.instablogs.com/entry/appreciating-religious-differences/
14. Ayyub(Job)
15. Musa(Moses)
16. Harun(Aaron)
17. Dhul-Kifl(Ezekiel)
18. Dawud(David)
19. Sulaiman(Solomon)
20. Elijah(Iliyas)
21. Yunus(Jonah)
22.Zakariyaa(Zechariah)
23. Yahya(John)
24. Isa(Jesus)
Muslim historians refer to the Arab period before Islam as as al-Jahiliyah because the poeople were idolatrious and believed that the stone gods they manufactured could help them in their needs;also because they were a superstitious and uncivilised lot who believed daughters were a curse and buried them in sand after birth.
Your article on Haj mearly shows that before Islam some idolatrous people had got hold of and influenced the ceremonies at Mecca.It does nothing to prove what infact were the original ceremonies .
More over your attempts at connecting the idolatrous and superstitious ways of The Arabs with Hinduism are not only laughable ,but also a disgrace to Hinduism itself.The theology and mythology of the two is not even remotely similar-the only common point being worship of idols.But even these differ for there was no Ganesh etc in the lot found and destroyed at Kaaba.
Unlike Hinduism which has the concept of Bhagwan-there was no concept of a supreme God amongst pre-islamic Arab idolators.
Hinduism even in it’s earliest forms has many Islamic points;and as understood by the thinking people is very distinct from Hinduism as understood by the masses-which itself is an indication to many Muslims that at sometime it too may have been Islam i.e. a message brought by one of the 124,000 prophets of God of whom we now know the names of 24.Till time tooks it tool,leading to what it is now.
The present Haj ceremonies are in fact a reversion to the earliest ones,and prophet Muhammad did this when he destroyed the idolatrious ones which had crept in inthe middle period.
I have tried to find the existing signs to relate to the old custom.
The customary rituals of Hajj and its similarities with Hinduism have been explained in the article.
Muslims were the first true historians and scientists in the cradle of Abrahamic faiths;and if they hadn’t been so impartial even greek thought and literature would have been lost to the world.
”What ever is in Hindu faith today form part of what is Islam” is such an obvious misstatement that I have no need to comment on it.Never the less Hinduism today does retain some portions of the original true faith as can be seen from so many things like mention of one supreme God,mention of Holy Prophet Muhammad and the superiority of cows meat over other form of meat in it’s holy books.
Islam has never claimed it is a new religion.The basic claim of Islam is that there is only one supreme creator.It follows from this that the religion he laid down or sent through his messengers in any age and to any people has always been -and logically must always -be the same.We all worship and must submit to the will of the same one God.Only over a period of time each people due to the greed or the dictates of their rulers deviated;and the message had to be given afresh calling the people back to that from which they had drifted.The Holy Prophet of islam was the last one -and will be the final one - to ask people to revert to the original true faith.
I will give you the history and details connected with Haj ritual -and the facts abouts the idols found their in - in a seperate article I intend writing sometime in the next week.
Not only was the main diety not Ganesh,there was no mention of any other Hindu diety at all in the entire history of Arab idolatory.
Ramesh bhai,I am sorry to state once again your article is good conjecture,but certainly no history.
I am not aware that Ganesh has to be the main deity in any temple. I have not mentioned Lord Ganesh in my article. It is your inference.
There is no concept of Hindu Gods or Christian Gods or this God or that God in Hinduism. Hinduism worships its creator in imageless and idol form. Hindus worship the unseen and seen, be it human, plants, sky, planets, animals, rivers or whatever. Hindus, I say once again, have no problem in worshipping Jesus Christ or Allah or both.
Prophet may be the last messanger for Muslims. He is not so for Christians and people of many other faiths. Hindus do not have the ”messanger concept” in Hindu religion and have not elevated the Prophet to the level of God. Hence his words are not FINAL for us. You may teach, spread or abide by your faith. Any effort to impose those views on us by force, terror or by such other means to disturb our lives is an affront which will be resisted by the whole non muslim world.
Your articles are well researched. I like it. I may or may not agree with your biased opinion or coloured vision but I still welcome it because you are a good writer. You write with sincerity, zeal and conviction. That is what I like in you.
A healthy discusion is going on and i must say that our Pakistani{Ex Hindustani,who still says ”Sare Jahan Se Achcha Hindustan Hamara...]brothers are also giving ’good’ remarks,without even being agitated.
They must accept that,only few are having different ”blood or Genes”,and their history is more ancient than the history of Islam,just like in the case of Egypt.
Thanks a lot,we are learning from you Mr Balam and definietly wants to meet you.
Writing is an individual quest. Keeping a particular segment in mind for writing makes it a saleable commodity and then it becomes propaganda for publicity. In filmi circles that is called copy-writing.
It will be my pleasure too to meet you all.
The customs and the rituals of Hajj were there all the while for all to see. I have clarified the missing links and added my view point. That makes the article interesting.
I would request you to read my article on Taj Mahal in your spare time and comment.
Ganapati Parva and Paryushan ki Shubhkamnayen.
I also wants to quote that some one objected on figure provided by you in yr’s about Hindu religion.
The first Tirthanker Adinath Era is too old,i dint know the figure but it is too old.There are ”Granth” at Kumbhoj Bahubali,near Solapur regd that.
Knowingly I did not reply to the silly comment about time measurement in Hinduism; which is the subject matter of my next article. For Muslim historians, ignorance is bliss.
I am new here to this website and was reading every educated comments surprising what I feel is that most of us are so inclined towards religion well i am not an Atheist but what i know is ” I am not born with religion but imparted by our parents nor I die with religion”. Ramesh which religion has come first do u think it really matters. Sumera how many messenger came and went does it really matters or did we see any of them or do we see any one this century? what we need is peace in this world where hate is taking over. atleast we people should try and bridge the. I feel no one has seen god inspite of millions praying how come only few see it. I am not here trying to justify things but i am here to convey my feelings that no matter what we follow which religion we follow we still fight based on religion forgetting that we are same as human same organs and blood. if people keep religion to personal and see world without religion then i beleive peace would be there untill then i think there would fights based on wars and please remem most of the wars fought were based on religion
The problem in our life comes with Love, God and Conflict.
Resolving the conflict is individual perception
http://www.indiaheritage.org/rendez/article1.htm
Allah always existed before anything;and I have read your Holy books and know thatHinduism is not unfamiliar with the true concept of a supreme diety.
No ones history is older then the history of Islam because Islam did not start with the Holy Prophet Muhammad ,it only ended with him in the sence that he is the last prophet of God who preached to people to revert to the original true concept of worshipping only the One supreme creator and nothing else-from which false priests had made them to drift for their own selfish motives.
Everyone knows that the truth is Islam, and half hindus also dont believe in Ram, many of their books says that Ramayana is a fantasy and not the truth. I dont understand why ramesh doing so.
To prove that my thoughts are stupid, you will have to give more intelligent arguments than calling names.
There is no truth for ultimate peace and salvation in Islam. Islamic Republic of Pakistan is in ruins. Those who migrated to it on partition are still Mohajirs. There are continous fights in Shia and Sunnis. Bohri, Ahmedia and other sectsm are not recognised as Muslims at all. Millions of Muslims visit peer, faqir, dargahs and seek materialistic pleasure; is it because their Allah can’t give it to them? Witch-craft is common practice in Muslims. There is so much confusion and backwardness in Islam that any Maulvi issues a fatwa for any damn thing.
Hinduism does not ask any one to believe in Lord Ram or lord Krishna or any other god. Who said, you have to believe in them to be a Hindu?
Which scripture says that Ramayan is a fantasy? Even if it is, does it matter to a Hindu? Hindus faith is not based on the theory of one prophet, one book, one religion.
I am doing it because truth must be told, how-so-ever unpalatable it might be.
Brother Asad you dont know the truth about your own religion. In islam there is a term called ”taqqiya” which mean if a muslim needs to hide the truth, bend the truth, or lie for the glorification or betterment of islam it is allowed.
You wanan talk about RamJi firstly read this about muhammad and what kind of mental state he was in.
Book 008, Number 3415:
Muhammad says to a man; ”if one of your wife sucks on your other wifes breasts a few times the two wifes are still lawful to you”
Umm al-Fadl reported: A bedouin came to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) when he was in my house and said: Allah’s Apostle, I have had a wife and I married another besides her, and my first wife claimed that she had suckled once or twice my newly married wife, thereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: One suckling or two do not make the (marriage) unlawful.
Aisha(youngest of muhammads wives) reports that muhammad asked a woman to let a grown man(salim) with beard on his face to suck on her breast so that, that man in question then becomes a foster son; and because of that the the woman doesn’t have to entirely cover up in front of that man.
Book 008, Number 3424:
’ A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail came to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be eupon him) and said: Messengerof Allah, I see on the face of Abu Hudhaifa (signs of disgust) on entering of Salim (who is an ally) into (our house), whereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him. She said: How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) smiled and said: I already know that he is a young man ’Amr has made this addition in his narration that he participated in the Battle of Badr and in the narration of Ibn ’Umar (the words are): Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) laughed.
Please before you point fingers try and understand if Muhammad was in his right mind when he got these bipolar/ schizophrenic dillusions.
Here muhammad tells his companions since they have conqured a city, now his men can have sex with any of the conqured women even if they have husbands; because now these women are possessed by their right hand.
Book 008, Number 3432:
Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah’s Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:” And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)” (i. e. they were lawful for them when their ’Idda period came to an end).
The pagans(idol/fire worshippers) used to call the moon allah. One of the idols that used to be worshipped was teh black stone that is now in the wall of the kabba. That black stone was the idol for muhammads tribe (note muhammads uncle never converted to islam) even though that stone which, muhammad claims is the white stone from heaven ( turned black due to the sins of humans) was instilled in the middle of the kabba wall.
It is also to be noted that the pagans (muhammads own tribe) had banned muhammad from entering the kabba after he(muhammad) started his self claimed prophethood and was beaten badly to the point where he was physically hurt(with bloodly beatings) and was spat on by his own tribe. Then his tribe made a written (or before that) agreement which started off with the same line that muhammad stole from the pagans; the pagans started that agreement with the line ”in the name of allah the most gracious and merciful”. Which prooves the term allah is pre-muhammad and was used to mean ”the moon and stars”. Even today you will see most islamic flags have the moon and the star (chand and tara) which shows the evidence of allah being referred to as the moon and star pre-islamic tirbe culture which wasn’t let go and the star and the moon stuck with islam.
The pagans used to get to kabba and go around in circles singing dancing and rejoicing and they used to cut animals for food and rub their body parts on the kabba(this could be something to do with maha-parshad in early hindu era). It is also to be noted that these pagans used to go around in circles and do this rejoicing naked. There is a hadith that muhammad forbids that the rubbing of the animal blood will be done and thats why there is no animal killings to be done before a certain day in hajj and he also forbade the naked running around the kabba.
But the ritual of going around in circles from hinduism stuck and if it isn’t from hinduism please explain how christianity and jewdism and all the 124,000 prophets before that coudn’t tell the people to BOW in front of god but hindus have been doing the bow-ing in front of the essence of god (each human has essence of god and hence we bow to the essence of god in each of us, even if the person whom we bow to might have made wrong choices in their life).
There is no bowing in christianity and jewidism so obviously the bow-ing down in front of god is a practice that was copied from hinduism/pagans/idolaters.
Brother Asad you dont know the truth about your own religion. In islam there is a term called ”taqqiya” which mean if a muslim needs to hide the truth, bend the truth, or lie for the glorification or betterment of islam it is allowed.
You wanan talk about RamJi firstly read this about muhammad and what kind of mental state he was in.
Book 008, Number 3415:
Muhammad says to a man; ”if one of your wife sucks on your other wifes breasts a few times the two wifes are still lawful to you”
Umm al-Fadl reported: A bedouin came to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) when he was in my house and said: Allah’s Apostle, I have had a wife and I married another besides her, and my first wife claimed that she had suckled once or twice my newly married wife, thereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: One suckling or two do not make the (marriage) unlawful.
Aisha(youngest of muhammads wives) reports that muhammad asked a woman to let a grown man(salim) with beard on his face to suck on her breast so that, that man in question then becomes a foster son; and because of that the the woman doesn’t have to entirely cover up in front of that man.
Book 008, Number 3424:
’ A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail came to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be eupon him) and said: Messengerof Allah, I see on the face of Abu Hudhaifa (signs of disgust) on entering of Salim (who is an ally) into (our house), whereupon Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him. She said: How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) smiled and said: I already know that he is a young man ’Amr has made this addition in his narration that he participated in the Battle of Badr and in the narration of Ibn ’Umar (the words are): Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) laughed.
Please before you point fingers try and understand if Muhammad was in his right mind when he got these bipolar/ schizophrenic dillusions.
Here muhammad tells his companions since they have conqured a city, now his men can have sex with any of the conqured women even if they have husbands; because now these women are possessed by their right hand.
Book 008, Number 3432:
Abu Sa’id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah’s Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:” And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)” (i. e. they were lawful for them when their ’Idda period came to an end).
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